Hello and good evening everyone. It’s five o’clock in New Orleans Louisiana My name is Seth smiley. This is see you in court. I’ll be your host here for the next hour on W. GSO and W. GSO dotcom here on 990 AM.


If anybody wants to call in during this show the listener call and number is 5 5 6 9 6 9 6 that’s a local number here in New Orleans 5 0 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6. And if anybody wants to text in during the show we should be able to get text messages read on the air if they’re appropriate at 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5 and we’ll be taking all of that information during the show.


I am an attorney here in New Orleans I am a construction lawyer. Do a lot of contractors subcontractor disputes and last week was the was the maiden voyage of the show. See you in court. And we talked a little bit about the various things going on in legal issues with regards to local issues and issues going on around the country. And that’s one of the that’s one of the goals of what we have going on here is to try to stay on the on the legal pulse of what we have you know going on locally and nationwide and then also I’d like to tell everybody especially in these first cop shows a little bit more about what I do and what my firm is so a little bit of background for those of you driving home at this 5:00 hour. I am. I’m the son of a contractor. I am a resident or was born and raised in Baton Rouge area and then moved out here for law school. I met a girl have two kids and now I’m back in time in New Orleans permanently loved the area and love love love my job and what I do. It’s a good you know niche that we work in where we help contractors and subcontractors material suppliers get paid for the work that they perform on construction projects.


We also do general business litigation which involves breach of contract default on promissory notes commercial leases. Overall business disputes and we had to do those types of things because of all of the other all the other dealings that my constructional clients would get into. So many contractors and you know they do other things they build buildings for themselves. And so they have other businesses they’re a part of and so we basically that was a nice spin off into our normal business. We also do represent we typically are on the plane of side of things trying to get people paid. And so because of that we also we we represent a lot of people who’ve been injured on projects. And then you know people who’ve just been injured in general. And so we do some injury law as well. Car accidents construction you know people injured on construction projects those types of things. So you know that’s a little bit of a background for of what exactly I do. I have. I also have a book that I like to promote and I’m in the process of actually figuring out where we’re in the process of drafting a new book actually. But the current book that’s out there is the Louisiana construction law Survival Guide. It’s the second edition the insider secrets to getting paid on every construction project. And basically we it’s not it’s not legally is it’s not anything complicated. It’s a short book and it sells for an entire 1795 on Amazon. And we if you call in or text the show we can always send you a copy for free.


I’ll happily do that. Pay the postage on that just so you can get it. It’s a layman’s version of you know kind of what goes on in the construction industry. And you know how to help people get paid on construction projects. And we basically kind of go from start to finish.


So that’s that’s a little bit about me and in what I have going on in and kind of my background in you know in in the law here in New Orleans.


And so you know I’d like to go into all the various things that we do. Like I said on the last program there’s going to be there’s a bunch of things that we don’t necessarily do. We don’t really we don’t do anything with the gardening criminal law or family law or bankruptcy or typically no no estate planning and employment law will tend to refer those out. So from time to time my game plan is to get some of my friends who and colleagues who do that type of law get them on you know in a segment or two and have them talk with us about the different you know nuances of those fields. So that we can get the listeners educated on what’s going on. You know I can talk broadly about it you know took the bar exam passed it not only in Louisiana but in California. And so I can talk with regards to common law pretty well and I can also talk about Louisiana as you know very specific civil civil law heritage and the different vocabulary with regards to those two systems. And so from time to time we’ll get these other folks off because they are really on the pulse of what’s happening in in these other fields of law. So so yeah like I said we’re here on a GSO 990 AM in GSO dot com. The listener call in number is 5 0 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6. And the text in number is 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5. And you guys can text anything you want to those particular things.


Last week we talked we talked a little bit about President tromps address to Congress. And you know it was his first point just to Congress and then you know how how were the major theme was immigration it seemed like. And then we also talked about Mardi Gras and some of the issues going on there. So that was a little recap from last week’s show. This week we’re going to we’re going to go into a little bit more details on on on that. This book idea that I have coming up and it’s basically you know the name of this show is see you in court. But the name of this book will do it I’m toying with is you know do you really want to have your day in court and it’s basically a roadmap to the Louisiana litigation process or a non-lawyer guide for what it takes to get to trial because everybody wants their day in court. And we basically we started at the beginning of this show with the music from The People’s Court and Everybody Loves You know Judge Judy and all these other various television versions of TV’s and book versions of you know your day in court and it’s kind of a fallacy. Ninety five percent of all cases on the civil side end up you know not going to court. They settle mediation in arbitration and alternative dispute resolution negotiations all those buzz words that are out there and folks don’t ever really get their day in court. And so this book that I want to go through and we’ll talk a little bit more in depth in the next segment.


You know basically kind of goes through all of the steps of of the process of what it takes to get there. And then you know have some stories about some some common occurrences or you know common nightmares that happen along the way and really really deter people from lasting out the process. The litigation is a test of attrition. And typically the person with the most money is the one that’s able to last it out. So if I were going to you know have a personal lawsuit or something against Wal-Mart or some Microsoft some giant company they would just be able to crush me because I don’t have the financial wherewithal to to last something like that out. And most people don’t. Unless you’re some sort of big organization. And so a lot of my job is advising people on how to get the best bang for their buck so that they are not you know handcuffed by this process of how long it takes and how how many inherent delays there are and how expensive it is because you know even if you get the best attorney the worst attorney Regardless it’s still going to be a very expensive and long you know multi year process if you’re going to take it fully all the way to getting your day in court. So that is basically a wrap up of what I do and what we’re going to be talking about here in the next three segments of the show. See you in court. And we’re about to go to a break here for just a few minutes and then we will be back on it in just a second to finish talking about that process.


Thank you. All righty. Welcome back everybody to see you in court. My name is Seth Smiley. And we’re back here in the New Orleans studio of gibt WGN. Oh dotcom and GSO 990 AM.


We have the phone lines open and they are 5 0 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6 and the text lines are open as well and that text number is 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5 and feel free to text them with any comments or questions that you have. Typically in this second segment we’re going to be talking about trending issues with regards to you know what’s going on on all of the social networks all the news networks and the popular issues with regards to the law both locally and nationally we had a couple of things that fall out this week. Obviously it’s a good time for journalism and for comedy. Whenever President Trump is in office there’s lots of things going on and flying around constantly.


And so it looks like there’s a lot of action that’s been happening with regards to you know immigration in different orders that have been going in different appeals and things like that that have been happening. And you know the entire industry is really focused on on what Mr. Trump is going to do with these different immigration issues. But we also had another I guess from a legal standpoint it’s it’s another breaking news story I guess this week and the federal federal appeals court here in New Orleans. We have the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. They ruled on Monday that the city of New Orleans could remove the three statutes honoring the members of the Confederacy and it’s rejecting the appeal of several historic preservation organizations and the sons of the Confederate Veterans. So basically the court stated that that the appellant’s the people who. So so basically these folks lost in the first round and in the in the lower court level. And so they appealed up in the federal court up to the next level which is the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Appeal Court decided that there was no. They actually failed to show irreparable harm which is the standard for for something of this nature. Basically they’re trying to file an injunction and that the statute irreparable harm to those that use and stated that the claims wholly lacked legal viability or support which is a pretty strong statement by the court and basically just just shut down that appeal.


And so the city is going to be allowed to remove the statutes which which are up and appear to honor the Confederate President Jefferson Davis Robert E. Lee and P.T. Beauregard and basically Mitch Landrieu you know over the past few years have called those a nuisance and requiring those to be removed. And so that that whole process. You know I guess gained footing with this with this with this dismissal and and so with this ruling showing that the courts are not going to stand in the way of the city for doing that and there there have the possibility of it being appealed again. But they would hope be brought up to the Supreme Court at that point. And it’s very it’s pretty unlikely the Supreme Court will hear something like that. So I don’t know how much you know energy and money these these pre-start preservation organizations and the Sons of Confederate Veterans have and whether or not they’re going to try to take that up another level. They have that option. But then the court does have the option to not hear that. So is kind of switching gears a little bit if anybody does want to talk about that. That’s always a hot button issue. Happy to be happy to speak with people about that and any questions I have with that regarding the statues that are being taken that will be taken down and in so if anybody wants to call in once again 5 5 6 9 6 9 6 or text the 5 7 9 8 9 8 5.


And switching gears again like I was saying a second ago there’s a you know a trend going on here with Trump and the Immigration and basically on looks like on Monday he signed a new immigration order and the immigration order was basically I guess a lighter version of the one that was previously signed in January. And you know some of the things that are allowed now that weren’t allowed in that first one is that in particular Iraqi citizens can now potentially receive visas if they apply before they were not allowed to do that in the previous order. It also sets out a class of people who are eligible to apply on a case by case waiver to the order and that includes those who have previously admitted to the United States for a continuous period of work study or other long term activity. Those with significant business or professional obligations so people who are working or people who are you know involved in business or professional or other undertakings and those seeking to live with the family. So that’s a pretty pretty big carve out in comparison to the first executive order that was signed. And so you know that’s a that’s a big deal. I mean at least it allows the case by case basis as opposed to just a flat out ban of all those types of people. So that that that is showing I guess a a step away from the harsh line that the that the White House was taking and in going towards more of a not a software approach but just a more analytical approach. The problem is going to be that you know if it’s a case by case waiver it seems like immigration attorneys are going to be going to be getting lots of work and there’s going to be lots of red tape with regards to the administration and how they’re going to actually oversee all this.


That seems like it’s going to cost a lot of money in this order.


There are still six Muslim majority countries listed on the original band that will continue to be blocked from obtaining new visas and then the refugee program will be suspended for 120 days and we’ll accept no more than 50000 refugees per year which is nearly half or less than half. And the Obama administration allowed for 110000 per year and this order is set to go into effect on March 16th.


So all of that happened on Monday which it did not take very long for there to be some fallout from that. And it looks like Hawaii is the first head. They’re the ones that filed the request of to block this new executive order and some information came out on that today with regards to Hawai and going through that process. And so excuse me. They they filed a temporary injunction similar to what the what the what they were trying to do with the with the statutes statues excuse me they follow injunctive injunction which basically says hey you can’t do this temporary injunction to block the president on his new executive order.


And Hawaii is now claiming that the order is infected with the same legal problems as the original order and it’s undermining you know constitutional and statutory guarantees that you know that we have and in our in our current process so that that’s you know a huge huge theme that we have going on here in the United States currently has to do with immigration. Trump talked about it in his joint address last week and he has followed it up with more you know executive orders. And so it’s his way to try to push his agenda along. And it’s you know it it’s it’s causing you know in the legal world somewhat of an uproar and people are really you know it shows how good our our checks and balances are set up in our country that we are able to have you know the legislative branch right the laws the executive branch enforce the laws and try to push them forward. And then the legislative branch which interprets the laws. And so now these injunctions will be filed in different legal processes will be filed to try and best interpret whether the Constitution ality of these executive orders that are going forward. So yeah it is you know it’s a huge deal. I’m sure Hawaii will not be the only the only state or the only region to you know try to try to prohibit President Trump from moving forward on the second immigration executive order. And you know it’s just one of those things it’s a continuing theme for Trump and his administration. And you know what we have going on here in the United States.


So we’re going to be talking about a lot of things like this. We’ll see you in court over the next you know coming weeks and over the next couple segments we’re going to be talking about the litigation process. My name is Seth smiley and thank you for listening to see you in court. All righty Welcome back everybody. This is. See you in court.


My name is Seth smiley and we were talking about some hot topics in the news. We’re going switch gears here a little bit in this third segment and we have one more segment after this. If anybody wants to call in we have our contact information here on WGN. So 990 AM and GSO dot com.


The listener line to call in is 5 0 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6. And the next line is 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5 mine. My name is Seth Smiley I’m an attorney here in New Orleans and I own a law firm the smiley law firm. You can read just that smiley firm dot com to have any questions about any legal issues that you don’t want to talk about here on the air and we service you know we’re litigators. We want to say we have a couple of attorneys who work for me here and in the local area and then also in Baton Rouge we cover south Louisiana and in litigating in the all the various areas. Litigation is one of those one of those areas that people love to get involved with or talk about and take you to court and I’m assuming you and I do all these various things or you can talk to my attorney and those types of things. And it really kind of has there’s a misconception there and people don’t always fully understand the whole process so I created this roadmap that I like to talk about with new clients with regards to litigation. And so basically it covers you know six or seven different different divisions of how the whole process can work. And you know everybody always talks about getting their day in court and you know and then suing and doing all this. But a lot of times we’re able to handle many issues even before a lawsuit is filed. We’ve seen out a lot of demand letters.


We enter into formal negotiation was talked about earlier a little bit Mediation and Arbitration are very popular. We file a lot of liens and when we do other security devices so that people can make sure that they’re going to have security when they’re getting paid later on as well. And there are a number of other different tools such as promissory notes that can be executed you know approved for prior to a lawsuit being filed.


And and you know we work we work very hard to try and get disputes resolved before lawsuits filed just because there’s a lot of risk that goes on when the lawsuit was filed. Anyone can always sue back. And then once you’re you know you’ve been sued back which called Rijk eventual demand then you can’t you can’t turn it off. So if you sue someone and you just want to end it after a while you can unless they have sued you back you could just dismiss all the claims. So entering into that you know that world of litigation there is a lot of inherent risk. And so we get we have folks all the time where you know we send out demand letters we contact the opposition and we end up or you know able to negotiate a deal especially if the other attorney is a reasonable person or the adversary is reasonable. You know business or individual then we’re able to negotiate a deal in those early stages you know and try to try to make the client happy so that they can get back to doing what they do best. Such as you know construction or business or you know whatever else that it is. And so we we you know there’s a lot of pitfalls out there that can be avoided by not go into a lawsuit. So I always say that you know this preschool stage typically runs about two to six months.


And you know you can get a lawyer engaged in that and then not really have the full on risk but yet still have the same reward being able to get paid at the end of the day. The next of these you know many stages of the whole lawsuit process is actually you know the filing of a lawsuit.


And so at that point you know you hire an attorney. You can have an individual can file a pro se lawsuit. I definitely don’t recommend it. It can cause a lot of a lot of troubles but a business cannot business cannot. It has to have a legal representative file suit for it.


But basically you know you get all your facts together and you bring him to your lawyer and the lawyer looks at all the law and figures out where you’ve been damaged and they come up you know with how the facts meet the law and they will they will draft involved a lawsuit for you and most people think OK all right my lawsuits been filed. Everything’s going to be great. We’re going to win. We’re going to get our day in court very soon. Average. Average length of time.


You know to get your case to trials typically two to three years at you know 15 $20000 a year and attorney’s fees. It’s a very very expensive process. You know flat fee on you know taking a lawsuit from start finish on a small one is probably about $50000. It’s very expensive. So you want to make sure the threshold of your dispute is is in the range of something that’s reasonable. We’re not going to be spending tons of money to get back you know you don’t want to spend 50 You only get back 10.


So once the suit is filed there’s people think it could kind of moves rapidly after that in a.


But there are some deadlines that are somewhat fast but the problem is you have to get the person served and service processes is a genuine issue in what we do. Many times. Been dealing with large companies or insurance companies or things like that serves the process is not an issue. You file your lawsuit and you get the sheriff and the sheriff goes out and serves him with the paperwork and they have 15 days to answer. Well the that’s not that’s perfect world that doesn’t usually happen. And the sheriff’s deputies typically aren’t you know they’re not detectives are in and out trying to find these people though go knock on a door if the person is not there then they are not going to get service. So many times you have to go and hire a special process server spend lots of money two three four five six hundred dollars just to get one person served with the lawsuit. And that’s if you can find them if you can get it in their hands and get personal service on that particular individual.


So it’s that process.


If the sheriff isn’t serving them right away can take weeks at a time and can be you know hundreds of years potentially even thousands of dollars to just get the party served and get them involved in the lawsuit. Once you do get service on somebody then they have to file an answer or they can say hey no we don’t believe that there are legal claims here and they file was called an exception. And these things have to be set for a hearing which can take weeks or potentially even months to get set by the judge. And these are just preliminary hearings that you know take take a very long time.


I have some you know just some specific examples of how our clients you know Serve Somebody filed lawsuit against somebody and the individual went out of state or you know went to a different part of the state and we had special process servers camping out overnight.


You know in their yard or waiting out in front trying to get these people serve. And it’s a very very very troublesome process. And you know they’re just a special breed of person who just avoid service at all costs. And so you have to find that other special breed of person who will go out and actually physically get this done. It’s it’s one of those things where there are a couple of couple parts of the process where service is a big deal. And so it’s it’s something that you know a good attorney who litigates needs to have a great special process are on their side so that they can make sure they’re getting everyone hauled into court just because just because you have great claims and just because somebody wronged you doesn’t mean that you can actually do anything to them. If you can’t ever find them. So you know service of process is a huge deal and it’s one of those that you know it’s there’s nothing sexy about it but it’s one of those things that people just don’t know much about other than again the movies that they’ve seen where the pizza guy shows up to deliver the pizza ask the guy’s name opens up the box and there’s a lawsuit inside.


So I’ve definitely heard of situations you know even here locally where similar similar things have happened.


Maybe not quite that dramatic but you know you know your processor has to do whatever he has to do to try to get that try to get that taken care of I’m not saying that I advocate that type practice but it’s just one of those things where you’ve got to put the lawsuit in the person’s hands so it’s very interesting. And then those guys were good at it are very good at it. And the ones that the ones that you know there are other services out there that are just very average at it. So you know there’s that’s that that’s just getting the parties involved. So right then and they’re looking at you know the priest suit and then the filing of the suit and gathering of the parties and getting them served. You’re looking at you know four months to a year just to have those two processes fully taken out taken care of. And you’re looking at out-of-pocket expenses of probably around $10000 already. Just just to get you know negotiations ahead of time and get the suit filed and get the parties involved and then that’s you know I guess the tip of the iceberg as they would say because it really starts to get hairy and it really starts to get nasty after that.


With regards to litigation and that’s why in these next couple of stages or when most cases settle and most cases either you know they resolve or one of the one of one of the sides decides that they don’t want to be a part of this anymore. And so we’re going to jump into those other stages here coming up in this last segment.


Again my name is Seth Smiley We’re here on W.G.. So if you’d like to call and talk about any of this. It’s 5 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6. And you can text us at 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5 once again.


See you in court. My name is Seth Smiley attorney here in New Orleans. Thank you. All right welcome back everybody to our final segment here on the 5 to 6 o’clock.


See you in court drivetime our radio show with Seth smiley. My name is Miley. I’m with the smiley law firm. If you want to reach out to my firm Smiley firm dot com or you can give us a call 5 0 4 8 9 4 9 6 5 3. We also you know you can reach us here now. We had a caller on the last hour but we weren’t over the last segment we weren’t quite able to get to you if you’d like to call back now. We’d love to have you call in at 5 0 4 5 5 6 9 6 9 6. And we also have the text line which is 5 0 4 5 7 9 8 9 8 5 and I’ve just also received a text here for a few minutes ago of some very special listeners they’re listening in right now. My son’s 3 and 5 years old Jude and Luke Smiley are listening in so I just want to give you guys a little shout out and tell you that I love you. And we’re going to get back into the the show a little bit here we were talking about some of the final stages of the litigation process. And this is not exactly the most sexy stuff in the world yet it’s things that people need to know before they’re going to you know get involved as a lawyer and go through the litigation process because it’s it’s just it’s a long expensive expensive ride.


And so basically we talked about pre-chewed in the filing of suit and gathering of the parties the next stage which is one of the most expensive and one of the most enduring is the discovery stage and that typically last six months to two years approximately. And this is where the sides can potentially you know we joke and say that you know you can bury people in paper. So you know you send these interrogatories requests for production of documents requests for admissions to the other side and basically you’re trying to show the opposition and all of the proof that you have and they’re trying to request all the proof that you have for when you get to trial. One of the most one of the most I guess I’m trying to think of a way I guess sexy parts of this process which is not at all. Is is the deposition and people get really really excited or nervous or anxious about depositions which is just basically you go sit down with a witness or a party and the opposition attorneys ask them questions under oath so that they can you know be prepared for what that person is going to say at trial depositions terrify people and they think that it’s their you know their time to you know really get everything off their chest and they think sometimes potentially that’s their day in court.


It’s not. But it did it’s a prelude to what’s happening you know later on in the process when it does get to trial. Depositions are very expensive. They can you know range from 500 to you know many thousands of dollars getting along they are how many attorneys are there. And you know depending on if it’s an expert or whatever and you know you have to get all these papers beforehand I mean we’ve walked in with you know boxes and boxes and boxes of paper deposing people for you know eight hours at a time and asking them anything in everything that has to do with the case and so it’s it’s it’s a it’s a very good tool it’s a tool that new attorneys need to use and always use. And so it’s one of those things that you know it helps influence that that battle of attrition that we talked about earlier because you know there’s just a lot of back and forth during this process. And just a lot of hours that are below are just a lot of work that’s done and you know again imagine if you’re trying to sue Wal-Mart or Microsoft or some huge company they are going to try to bury you in this process of just you know constantly e-mailing and sending these sending these requests to you and making your attorney have to fight back. Experts are a part of this process as well when they’re pretty much called the hired guns.


So in the construction industry will go get engineers and architects and contractors and basically have them come in and write a report talking about the custom and standard for that industry and what you know what was done right or wrong depending on you know what side of the case they’re on and they’re putting their expertise on the line going through this process because they’re going to be the ones at trial who are testifying on behalf of your case and your client or on the opposition. And so that essentially that process is probably the longest section of the whole thing were most cases settle and then the next section is pretrial and we call it pretrial just because it’s the area of time where you where most of the motions have deadlines to be cut off where you have a pretrial conference where you actually have a conference many times with the judge. Sometimes you’ll have a settlement conference with the judge try to get it knocked out. A lot of settlements happen in this area as well because both parties have you know they’ve been they’ve drawn their line in the sand and they’re headed towards the courthouse both literally and figuratively and all the cut off dates of past and everybody really knows what their risk you know their best day in court and their worst day in court is. And so you’ve gotten all your witness testimony your expert your exhibits and all of these things and so many times especially if you’re dealing with insurance companies. This is when settlements happen. So it’s it’s a good opportunity for that and in a lot of times as were most cases end to. And so really the one of the last parts of this whole process is the actual trial.


So with that we’ve gone through five categories already and pretrial can even cost $10000 and go you know three to three to nine months on how long it takes depending on if you’re if your trial setting gets bumped and things like that. So the the trial itself is you know kind of the whole bang the climax of the entire thing. And you know this is what you know the client has been waiting for so they say and you know there are many times when you’re not even the first setting and then it gets continued. The judge has other things on their calendar and so it gets bumped to another setting which many times takes you know six more months or something like that to be set again because everybody’s schedule is so full.


You were you know you can have you can have conferences with the judge leading up to trial where Pitt thinks him potentially be settled. Depends on if it’s a judge or a jury trial. Most of the time trials are just bench trials. That means they are from the judge. You actually FDL left for a jury trial and pay a deposit to have a jury trial so typically you know those don’t happen nearly as often. And then you have to go through void there which is the process of of of actually you know picking the jurors and things like that.


And so you go through this trial which can either be a day or week or two weeks or whatever you’ve set aside to go through your entire case and the opposition go through their entire case and then you are basically waiting on this person the judge or these people the jury to come back with a verdict and they are going to give your judgment and your judgment is going to you know and in the civil world it’s going to be a money judgment and it’s going to say you know OK you you were successful or you weren’t successful and you’re entitled to you know X amount of dollars in damages and interest in attorney’s fees if that’s even allowable in this particular situation. And then what. Right. You get this piece of paper. You have a judgment and typically judgments are only worth. The the the paper that they’re written on unless you can collect on it. And if you have a judgment against an insurance company you’re going to collect just fine there are rules sudden place for that.


But if it’s against an individual or an entity chasing it down can be very very tough and we call that post judgment collections. And so those are the types of things that you have to do you have to be careful for. And you know people can appeal the judgment and that can take three to six months or more sometimes years appeal. And those can be tens of thousands of dollars and then really running down people you know you tell people who are hard to serve whenever you are trying to serve them with a lawsuit trying to serve them with trying to take their assets and post judgment collection is is troublesome.


And so you want to try to see what kind of bank accounts they have what kind of real assets they have and when and all the different things that you could actually seize from these people in order to fulfill your judgment and the whole post judgment process. You know that’s another that’s a topic for almost an entire show. So yeah it kind of walks you through the entire trial process. And you know that’s it. I have the idea of that for a book just because I know it’s not it’s not the most beautiful thing to talk about EVER all the time but it’s something that clients need to know before they can make an educated citizen decision to go into the litigation process.


Again I appreciate everybody for that for joining us here today. Sorry about that one color that we weren’t able to get to. Again this is see you in court. My name is Seth Smiley. And thank you for joining us here on WGN. So once again Seth Smiley see you in court. See you guys next week Wednesday same time. Bye bye.

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